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THAT ONE, MY FRIENDS

posted Wednesday, 8 October 2008

Here are a few random and discursive observations about the second Obama-McCain joint appearance:

A personal plea to Senator Walnuts. Please, please stop saying "my friends" over and over again. I, for one, am not your friend. Plus it sounds patronizing. It may have worked for FDR but he actually liked people, which you obviously do not. As the old Motown tune goes, I ain't too proud to beg:

McCain's worst moment was when, grinning maniacally, he pointed at Obama and said of an energy bill: "guess who voted for it, that one."  Yikes. It was another rude and condescending moment. I shuddered and I suspect that Miss Manners shuddered as well. I haven't checked to see if Emily Post rolled over in her grave but I'll do so and get back to ya...

If Hubert Humphrey was the "happy warrior," John McCain is the unhappy one. This is his big moment and he looks miserable; as if his dentures don't fit. While he wasn't as cranky as in the first debate, he was still in full tilt Mr. Burns mode. I think he thought Tom Brokaw was Smithers, actually...

I hate the town hall format even when, as it did tonight, it favors my candidate. Obama moves beautifully; he's graceful, cool, calm and poised. McCain was stiff and awkward, sort of like the Lionel Atwill character in Son Of Frankenstein:

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Obama's best moment was when Smithers-Brokaw asked if health care was a privilege, right or responsibility. McCain who has benefited from "socialized" medicine his entire life said it was a responsibility, whatever that means. Obama gave the correct answer: R-I-G-H-T. He went on to describe his mother's arguing with her insurance company when she lay dying of cancer. A fine moment.

Obama's worst moment was when he mixed his metaphors and said that McCain was claiming that he was "green behind the ears." Barack was all wet there but Walnuts was still green with envy... 

Once again, I know that some of my friends on the left will think that Obama didn't attack enough but his mission in these debates is to show that he's a plausible President as well as a darn nice guy. He did both, you betcha.

The least surprising thing about the joint appearance: the fact that the name Bill Ayers wasn't uttered once. Other than dittoheads, rabid wingnuts and Sarah Palin nobody gives a rat's ass. That kind of smear only works when it's tied to something voters care about at that given moment. Right now the campaign is all about the economy.

The Bottom Line: Obama is one cool customer. He's a combination of Sidney Poitier and Paul Newman. He had the clear advantage on both style and substance. Adrastos Grade: B+

McCain was less angry this time around but his attempts at uplift fell flat. His answers on economic issues seemed rote and memorized; almost Palinesque but not as goofy. He reminded me not only of Montgomery Burns but of Lionel Barrymore as Mr. Potter. Nobody would have wanted either of them as President. Walnuts needed a clear win and it didn't happen. Adrastos Grade: C+ 

Absent an alien invasion or Cheney led coup, I think we'll make history on November 4th and do something I never thought would happen in my lifetime: elect a Veep with a killer smile and hair plugs. 

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1. sophmom left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 8:27 am :: http://www.dotcalm.blog-city.com

I've quit wanting him to go in for the kill. He clearly knows so much better than I do. My li'l bro' (the political dude who mos' def' knows better than I do) says it's the smartest campaign he's ever seen run. I say to Barack: Pay us no attention. Keep doing what you're doing, hand on the tiller, steady on course.


2. Bruce King left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 8:40 am

"My friends" sure di get to be annoying after the first twenty times...

A combination of Sidney Poitier and Paul Newman? I always thought Sam Cooke and Nelson Mandela (and OK, maybe Bing Crosby (and RZ says Malcolm X)).

Alen invasion or Cheney-led coup? If either of these happened would we know it?

As to the hair plugs: They look a lot better than they used to. Probably an improvement in the techniques.


3. el stevo left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 9:51 am

"He's a combination of Sidney Poitier and Paul Newman."

It's official, presidential elections, and particulalrly debates, are a farce and truly bring out the imbecility in almost everyone. The moment a politician running for office, any office, becomes your hero, youm need a lobotomy.


4. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 9:54 am

Hero worship? Nope just casting by analogy. I didn't even support Obama for the nomination until mid-way through but has he grown on me? Sure, he's a good candidate. Has that turned me into an imbecile? Nope.


5. el stevo left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:22 am

sorry, didn't mean to say you were an imbecile. That quote just made me feel all icky inside, just as it would if someone tried to compare McCain to . . . who, I don't even know.


6. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:35 am

Understood, Stevo. As a lifelong film buff I often think of who Hollywood would cast to play pols. To me, Steve McQueen was the personification of cool but he was too instinctual for Obama, which is why Paul Newman occurred to me. The Poitier analogy is obvious, which is why the McCain camp and the Clintons before them have had such a hard time dealing with Obama.


7. jeffrey left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:43 am :: http://librarychronicles.blogspot.com/

McCain's worst moment was when he corrected a questioner who used the word "bailout" instead of "rescue" he then went on to further condescend to the guy, "I'll bet you'd never heard of Freddie and Fannie before"

Because Obama's "I want to kill people to, plze" position on the war is so indefensible, McCain kicked his ass on foreign policy much as he did in the prior debate. I'll allow that the "Bomb Iran" stuff mitigated the disaster somewhat.

As for the Ayers' thing... I'll link you over to BSJD and then shamelessly repost my comment here. http://tinyurl.com/3rugru

McCain didn't need to bring up Ayers during the debate because Stupid had already put it "out there" this week. So it gets into the debate coverage as a whisper in the background while Keith and Chris and the rest of the 8th graders speculate interminably over whether or not McCain will bring it up. In this framing, it plays as a "dirty little secret" that McCain is too gallant to touch but everybody knows about. "Persuadable voters" wonder about it and maybe doubt Obama a little bit. Meanwhile McCain's base just gets angrier and more fired up thinking about how Obama needs to be hit with it but not quite seeing it happen. Plus it doesn't give Obama a chance to respond... to show everyone just how stupid it is. Perfectly played by McCain, really.


8. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:53 am

Well, somebody has to think that McCain's campaign is competent, Pants. It's not going to fly this time: it's not 2002 or 2004.


9. sophmom left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:32 am :: http://www.dotcalm.blog-city.com

Jeffrey, the condescending Fannie/Freddie remark jumped out at me too. How stupid does he think people are? The rest of your analysis is frighteningly sensible. Finally, how did you make that tiny URL here? My Twitter client does it but.... ? TIA


10. jeffrey left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:40 am :: http://librarychronicles.blogspot.com/

Tinyurl.com


11. jeffrey left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:46 am :: http://librarychronicles.blogspot.com/

A,

I'm not buying the argument that voters will suddenly "grow up" and drop their petty resentments merely because "It's important this time" Remember after Katrina when a lot of people thought that local politics would suddenly become more "serious"? That voters wouldn't respond to Nagin's clowning or Jefferson's.... Jeffersoning because it was suddenly "important this time"? This is very much like that, I think.


12. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:54 am

Sigh. The smears that have worked in the past have been tied to genuine fears: Horton and crime; Swift boat and terrorism. The public has moved on from 2002 and 2004 where fear of dying were central. Do I think the Ayers/Other thing could have a minor effect? Yes but it's too amorphous to stick with anyone who's not a dittohead. Too many on the left are like generals fighting the last war. 2008 is new terrain and the electorate is solidifying. I know you disagree, Pants. Being a contrarian is part of your charm.

Also, remember the shit thrown at Clinton in 1992 about his Russia trip and the draft didn't stick. Why? There was a recession and the economy was the issue. The credit crunch could make the 1990-92 recession look like a tea party.


13. jeffrey left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 12:12 pm :: http://librarychronicles.blogspot.com/

Heh. Now who's "fighting the last war" Obama is not Clinton. Sure he's every bit as phony and his campaign theme sounds very similar and, yes, the Republicans are running a similar campaign against him (still running against the 60s, etc)

BUT what's different in 2008 is that a lot more people are actively seeking a reason... any reason... to justify voting against Obama. It won't be just one slimy thing that moves the electorate together but a combination of the little slimy things. Some will vote against Rev Wright, some will vote against, Franklin Raines, some will vote against the "Madrasa" some will vote against Michele, or Ayers. But there is enough slime oozing around out there to catch enough of the voters looking for reasons.

I'm still waiting for that last-minute T Boone Pickens endorsement of McCain too. (longshot but would be a funny one)


14. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 12:21 pm

Whatever, Jeff. I'm not as cynical as you: I only think that 30% people suck and you seem to think it's 90%. The only question about the election now is the margin. If McCain's message was working why are they defending NC and Indiana?

Btw, T Boone Pickens endorsed McCain months ago and nobody cared.


15. jeffrey left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 12:50 pm :: http://librarychronicles.blogspot.com/

I'm talking bout T Boone's big McCain's the man to solve this energy problem I've been whining about so expensively all month ad that I just can't wait to see.


16. ethan left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 1:34 pm

Obama is up in all the polls:

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_ vs_obama-225.html

And he's way up on the Electoral Map:

Obama: 264 McCain: 163

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Everything's been trending for Obama for weeks now; can't see how any of the debates--nor the selection of Palin or the Ayers smears--have helped McCain.


17. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 1:44 pm

Jeffrey's a natchal born contrarian. Those trends are *why* he's convinced everything will go to hell.


18. jeffrey left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 1:50 pm :: http://librarychronicles.blogspot.com/

"Those trends are *why* he's convinced everything will go to hell."

Partially, yes.


19. Bruce King left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 3:37 pm

Back to the Newman/Poitier comparison. I just remembered "Paris Blues".


20. bullet left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 5:14 pm :: http://mypantstheatre.blogspot.com

Kerry was ahead in the polls, too. Right up until he lost.


21. bayoustjohndavid left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 9:57 pm :: http://bayoustjohndavid.blogspot.com/

I don't think my view on McCain's failure to mention to Ayers is that different from Adrastos' view. It was absurd for the pundits to act like it was either mystifying or evidence of McCain's fundamental decency. Apparently, everybody but the pundits (and, of course, the wingnuts who eat up that stuff) realized that it was just red meat for the base stuff. I do think the McCain camp hoped that Obama would somehow be stupid enough to waste debate practice time defending against that, instead of the attack that McCain really had no choice but to make, i.e. the CRA and Fannie Mae caused the credit crisis attack. Obviously, it didn't work because Obama answered "Fannie Mae" with "Phil Gramm." The format kept the exchange from going any further, but McCain will have to try to hammer it hard in the final debate. Let me be the first to predict that the funniest that about that debate will be the networks' post-debate fact checks -- they'll never get something that complicated right.


22. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:16 pm

Bullet: In 2004, Bush wasn't trying to hold on to North Carolina and Indiana 29 days out. Kerry had also given up on Missouri by now. The map heavily favors Obama. Plus, the Repubs had the ground game advantage in 2004 and this time the Dems do.

David: I think going to Freddie and Fannie is perilous for McCain given the ties of so many of his top people. Rick Davis is the poster boy for lobbyist greed.


23. bayoustjohndavid left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:43 pm :: http://bayoustjohndavid.blogspot.com/

It's perilous, but he has no choice but to try to spread the blame around. I'm glad he's mad at Carly Fiorina, I thought it was going to be a long election when I saw Fiorina and Claire McCaskill on one of the Sunday morning shows several weeks ago. I'd hate to see those two debating it. But really, I don't see where he has any choice but to try to confuse people about the cause of the credit crisis.


24. adrastos left...
Wednesday, 8 October 2008 10:53 pm

It fits the McCainiac strategy of throwing shit against the wall. Doubt if that will stick. People have wanted to fire the Repubs for 2 years and the credit crunch has reminded them of how much they want them gone.